Why Biden's National Security Adviser Plans To Focus On The U.S. Middle Class

Dec 30, 2020
Originally published on December 30, 2020 10:06 am

"We've reached a point where foreign policy is domestic policy, and domestic policy is foreign policy," incoming national security adviser Jake Sullivan told NPR over Zoom on Tuesday. "And the work that we do abroad fundamentally has to connect to making the lives of working people better, safer, fairer."

President-elect Joe Biden talked a lot about this close connection between domestic and foreign policy during the presidential primary, often using near-identical language as Sullivan's. And Biden wasn't alone among the Democratic presidential contenders. The call for closer ties between domestic policies and what's happening around the world has become an increasingly central theme of the party's foreign policy debates.

Sullivan has played a leading role in this reorientation. He was a top staffer to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the Obama administration before later serving as then-Vice President Biden's national security adviser. Sullivan was a senior policy adviser to Clinton's 2016 campaign and therefore had a front-row seat to her surprise loss to a candidate who ran on a nationalist and isolationist platform.

Since then, Sullivan has repeatedly written and spoken about the need to put America's middle class at the center of foreign policy debates and decision-making.

So, with just three weeks to go before Biden is sworn into office and Sullivan begins occupying a key role in shaping U.S. engagement abroad, I (virtually) sat down with him to discuss the reasons behind that focus, and what it might look like as the Biden administration begins implementing its policies.

Measuring impact on "ordinary Americans"

Sullivan has been frank about the fact that, as he says, the Obama administration didn't do enough to tie foreign initiatives to domestic concerns — particularly when it came to economic policies.

I asked Sullivan whether that lack of focus on the American middle class opened the door to Trump's nationalism.

"What produced Donald Trump was a broad amalgam of factors, and so I wouldn't point to any one thing," he said. "But I would say this — I believe that the fact that we did not elevate and center middle-class concerns in our foreign policy and national security meant that we were not delivering for the American people as well as we should have, that we can learn from that, and then we can do better as we go forward."

Looking forward, he sees the focus — along with a return to more engagement with global allies — as "a more decisive and sustained rebuttal to Trumpism, by showing that engagement in the world ... can deliver the kinds of tangible results — by protecting people from pandemics, reducing the worst effects of climate change, increasing the protection against the kinds of abuses we see from China and other economic actors. We can do these things."

"What Joe Biden is proposing, and what I am reinforcing as the national security adviser, is that every element of what we do in our foreign policy and national security ultimately has to be measured by the impact it has on working families, middle-class people, ordinary Americans here in the United States," Sullivan said.

Seeking leverage over China "the right way"

How will this affect policymaking? Sullivan pointed to China, and the way the Trump administration approached a trade war that escalated to aggressive tariffs.

"What were their negotiating priorities? What did they push for?" he asked, referring to the Trump administration. "Well, one of the things they pushed for was access for major U.S. financial institutions to do business in China. And the question I would pose is, what does that have to do with jobs and wages here in the United States, making it easier for the likes of JPMorgan or Goldman Sachs to, to be able to carry out financial activities in Beijing or Shanghai?"

Biden recently told The New York Times that he won't immediately revoke Trump's tariffs on China. I asked Sullivan whether that amounts to a concession that Trump's policies gave the U.S. leverage. Here's his response:

"Well, the president-elect has said from the beginning of this campaign that in order to get China to change its abuses, we do need to build up leverage. We just have to do it the right way, by investing in our sources of strength. So [Biden's] objection to Donald Trump was not trying to seek leverage against China. It was doing it in a way that actually hasn't produced results.

"And one of the major examples of that is that the United States has gone it alone in its trade fight with China, rather than rallying other like-minded democracies, other market economies that collectively comprise 50[%] to 60% of the world's economy, where if we got all of them lined up and went to China with a common agenda to say, 'We won't accept these subsidies, this intellectual property theft, this dumping,' we would be in a position to get China to either change its behavior, or we could collectively impose costs on China for not doing so."

Sullivan and other incoming Biden administration officials have repeatedly signaled they will pressure China on trade, human rights, intellectual property theft and other areas of disagreement — even as they seek to work alongside the fellow global power to confront climate change.

These areas, Sullivan said, are prime examples of how he and other Biden officials will view decisions through that middle-class framework.

"The United States is going to ensure, for example, that we have the kind of free and open Internet where people can engage in commerce and speak freely and not have to worry about surveillance by foreign authoritarians, or not have to worry that the businesses that they either work for, or purchase from, are having to change their practices in fundamental ways to conform to the authoritarian tendencies of other governments. Those are things that affect Americans," he said.

"You know, there was an example from [2019] of where China tried to basically censor the National Basketball Association, the NBA," he said.

Chinese authorities cracked down on the distribution of Houston Rockets games within the country's borders after the team's general manager expressed support for pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong.

"Now, that's not on the same scale and scope as COVID-19, not even in the same sport, let alone the same ballpark," Sullivan said. "But it's the kind of example of where, if we do not speak out on behalf of our values and our way of life, it gets chipped away at in ways that end up encumbering and having an impact on American families and American communities."

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President Trump ran for office arguing for big changes in U.S. foreign policy. He contended that the United States was wasting money on allies and aid, among other things, and many voters plainly agreed. Now a new administration aims to return to a more traditional foreign policy, but President-elect Biden's choice for national security adviser says the administration must get the politics better.

JAKE SULLIVAN: The work that we do abroad fundamentally has to connect to making the lives of working people better, safer, fairer.

INSKEEP: Jake Sullivan talked with NPR's Scott Detrow about how the Biden administration aims to make foreign policy choices.

SCOTT DETROW, BYLINE: Jake Sullivan has been pretty clear in recent years - he thinks the U.S. foreign policy establishment doesn't spend as much time as it needs to thinking about how policies affect the U.S. middle class. After the inauguration, Sullivan will be in a position to change that.

SULLIVAN: What Joe Biden is proposing and what I am reinforcing as the national security adviser is that every element of what we do in our foreign policy and national security ultimately has to be measured by the impact it has on working families, middle-class people, ordinary Americans.

DETROW: Sullivan has been frank about the fact that the Obama administration that he was a part of did not do this enough, particularly when it came to economic policies. He was a top adviser to Hillary Clinton when she was secretary of state and had a front-row seat for her surprising loss to President Trump in 2016. I asked Sullivan whether that lack of focus on the American middle class opened the door to Trump's nationalism.

SULLIVAN: What produced Donald Trump was a broad amalgam of factors, and so I wouldn't point to any one thing. But I would say this - I believe that the fact that we did not elevate and center middle-class concerns in our foreign policy and national security meant that we were not delivering for the American people as well as we should have, that we can learn from that, and then we can do better as we go forward.

And frankly, I also think that we can have a more decisive and sustained rebuttal to Trumpism by showing that engagement in the world can deliver the kinds of tangible results - by protecting people from pandemics, reducing the worst effects of climate change, increasing the protection against the kinds of abuses we see from China and other economic actors. We can do these things.

DETROW: So how will that focus on the middle class actually work when Sullivan is sitting in the situation room beginning next month? He talked about China, starting with the Trump administration's tariffs and trade war.

SULLIVAN: What were their negotiating priorities? What did they push for? Well, one of the things they pushed for was access for major U.S. financial institutions to do business in China. And the question I would pose is, what does that have to do with jobs and wages here in the United States - making it easier for the likes of J.P. Morgan or Goldman Sachs to be able to carry out financial activities in Beijing or Shanghai?

DETROW: Though on the tariffs, I think the president-elect got a lot of attention when the other week he told The New York Times that they won't be immediately revoked. Is that an acknowledgement that some of President Trump's policies do give you more leverage with China next year?

SULLIVAN: We just have to do it the right way - by investing in our sources of strength. So his objection to Donald Trump was not trying to seek leverage against China; it was doing it in a way that actually hasn't produced results.

And one of the major examples of that is that the United States has gone it alone in its trade fight with China, rather than rallying other like-minded democracies, other market economies that collectively comprise 50% to 60% of the world's economy, where if we got all of them lined up and went to China with a common agenda to say we won't accept these subsidies, this intellectual property theft, this dumping, we would be in a position to get China to either change its behavior or we could collectively impose costs on China for not doing so.

DETROW: But before the Biden administration can begin coordinating with other countries, Sullivan says it needs more coordination with the current administration. Sullivan criticized the Department of Defense for throwing up roadblocks during the presidential transition. The Pentagon has said it's fully cooperating with the incoming administration, but Sullivan says the Biden team's last meeting with the Department of Defense came December 18.

SULLIVAN: In those 11 days, there has not been a meeting granted to the transition team. And, you know, we're looking at - as I said before - a substantial number of very specific, important requests for information that they are not responding to.

DETROW: Sullivan says the delays are hurting their planning on the pandemic and how to respond to a massive government computer hack that's been tied to Russia. And he says it could slow down planning on one other area where he says the Biden administration will want to make policy decisions with America's middle class in mind - drawing down the extended U.S. military presence in Afghanistan and other areas of the Middle East.

Scott Detrow, NPR News, Washington. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.